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Leadership Without Clenched Fists

Leadership Without Clenched Fists

What happens when we stop trying to prove ourselves and start leading from who we really are?

In this episode of Because People Matter, Dr. Helen Fagan sits down with longtime friend, entrepreneur, and KidGlov founder Lyn Wineman for a deeply personal conversation about leadership, authenticity, vulnerability, and the challenge of staying grounded in an uncertain world.

Lyn reflects on the evolution of her leadership style—from feeling like she needed to be tough and prove herself to discovering that her strongest leadership comes from respect, authenticity, listening, and recognizing strengths in others. She also opens up about the pressure of entrepreneurship and what it feels like to be “chased by the dragon” when uncertainty, competition, finances, and constant change make it difficult to slow down.

But one of the most memorable lessons comes from an unexpected place: the children’s story The Rainbow Fish. Helen and Lyn explore what the story can teach us about generosity, receiving, boundaries, and the importance of not giving away every one of our shiny scales.

Because sometimes leading like people matter also means remembering that you matter, too.

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Because People Matter® is a podcast celebrating leaders who are harnessing the gift of human differences and creating inclusion while driving success in their organizations and communities. Hosted by Dr. Helen Fagan, each episode features interviews with individuals leading the way. If you’re ready to learn how becoming inclusive can impact your business or want to hear positive stories of impact, this is the podcast for you.

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